And bipartisan lawmakers couldn't be happier. Back in the 80s, Holly Jones and her husband are devout Christians. That way people without a doubt understood the point was for the album to have a happy ending one way and a tragic ending the other way. And the long-dead Mr. Jones with the still-alive Keller Dover. Whatever segment of their brain that allowed them to not think about his disappearance their entire living day cannot ever be altered or returned. Thats a really good question. He was subsequently killed by the priest, who threw the body into the church's basement. I cant remember if he was listed above in the list of prisoners now but I was thinking Kellers Son Ralph is a prisoner too. He is unable to finish his prayer because I think he realizes that what he is doing is not according to what he believes in, but still believes that this is an act of necessary violence and he cant quite come to terms with himself on that. But I can see that the parents were in so much shock that they wouldnt remember what the girls were wearing when they were taken. Dover seemed like a portmanteau of dove (peace) and lover. I loved a lot of the explanations here, hit the nail on the head. Maybe you still disagree though. What happened? Tue 9 Jul 2013 06.45 EDT. Less than a week I believe. Plus, excellent point that they wouldnt just jump to Oh! Regarding Alex. And is still stuck in it, so to speak. Happy to hear that Ayman! I cant remember how much time passes in the movie. When someone goes missing the police investigators always try to establish very carefully how the missing person was dressed! Im pretty sure it was Keller. Uploaded: Before you trash this post, and think Im a nut case, please view the first 5 minuets of my video. Eloquently posited Jeff, this certainly fits into the message and subsequent explanation for me. Theres tension as Loki hears the whistle but dismisses it, hears it again, but dismisses it again, before hearing it another time. And what are the benefits or consequences of his doubt? Perhaps it was intended to reflect his personality, peaceable in normal situations, but with a killer instinct ready to take over when pushed by circumstances. Blaming God for not saving him, they "waged a war with God" and sought to make others feel their pain. The answer to this question isnt actually explained, but it is shown. Dover in his belief Alex Jones knows where the girls are. Joy and Anna attempt to escape, but only Joy is successful. Alex and Keller will probably go to jail. Thanks, Warren! Compare this to other crime thrillers like Silence of the Lambs or Seven or Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. Chris, what do you think or D.s explanation regarding Alex waiting in the RV and crashing into the trees: Alex said that he was waiting for a man to come back and he never did. It seemed to me that Holly heard Lokis car pulling up in her drive way, why would she decide to try to kill Anna with a syringe at that moment? As for Keller going to prison I mean we would need modern examples of this type of situation. Huntley, a former school caretaker killed schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman in 2002 after they went missing from a family BBQ. Lets get some answers. How fitting we have a character named Grace, a word typically associated with Gods favor. Its almost like the style and story carry the movie and the cast is just kind of there. And how could he know where the girls lived in the first place? Seem to climb to make headway and then slide down again but eventually someone wins the game each time played unless game abandoned. Keep in mind, the final scene was foreshadowed earlier in Prisoners. He seemed very alive at the rescue, yelling for help. (But is also comes from the old Scandinavian meaning a ravine, gap, gorge, or a crevasse between cliffs. The French, Celtics, and Gauls all had similar versions of the word (Douvres, Dubrs, and Dubris, respectively) and all meant water as well. The body is beyond recognition, but there is a necklace of a maze. Bob Taylor didnt have the opportunity. One is thematic, the other iswellfor lack of a better word, pretentious. Also loved seeing ppl comment on this masterpiece of a movie from so long ago. Loved this article it was very educational and breaks down the film in the easily digestible way you mentioned, you untangled this maze of a movie! Alex may have become too attached to Holly and the only home he had known for many years. In 2012, CSP-SAC was the first institution in California to achieve American Correctional Association accreditation with 98.6 percent score. And Im pretty sure Holly Joness original kid was named Alex? Not sure how much I buy into it, but its an example. Who knows! Debord and Van Christopher Havis were arrested in . Take revenge on God for killing her son by kidnapping other people's children (partially succeeded).Kill Loki and any other interfering witnesses (failed). Which is why Keller knows to go back there, because its the only place hes been that Joy could have possibly been. You did an amazing job! But I think most of what you said in Prisoners is within the realm of acceptable. Absorbing film, but the one thing that bothers me is that the whole film rides on Alex not talking, and I dont buy it. Thank you for explaining this! But the important thing is that once youre aware of this motif, you can re-watch the movie and appreciate what it adds to the overall experience of Prisoners and the meaning you derive from it. and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed. Also, are we sure Holly is not in the van as well? He was a fundamentalist, right? I can see him being pretty off-grid. Ok, thanks for the response. She tells him that her and her husband have been waging a war on God and shows Keller where she hid Anna. This piece is wonderful contextualises and puts in words what the movie does not so Thank you bc I enjoyed the read v much. I also appreciate how you still respond to comments after a year. Kidnapping children. Lights: Buildings usually have power broken into sections. But then he remembers he had been at Holly Joness house and puts 2 and 2 together. Thanks for the excellent analysis. Weve talked about Graces name. Details. Hi, Chirs. Alias That kind of goes with the idea of an intricate maze, a labyrinth, where you get lost and wonder, and keep returning to the same spot, looping around and around, as you try and find an escape. The seemingly simple progress of the story is an artistic choice to create the sense of an itch you cant quite scratch, that theres more going on than you may have realized. I think, for him, hes just been unable to escape the trauma. And yes, I love the juxtaposition of David Lokis name. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. It is of course not completely impossible because Holly could have cleaned the van thoroughly. Thanks! Thats an interesting point about the zodiac signs! Just my two cents. So while Grace may seem like a simple name, its not. I think the film supports it by not having Bob Taylor or the girls talk either. I could see that. What did you think about the performances? No thats not what happened. The soul. And the hidden basement with the hole in the ground. Thanks for the thoughts. July 10, 2021 Investigation Discovery's 'The Lake Erie Murders: Blood in the Water' chronicles the brutal killing of 10-year-old Holly Jones in Ontario, Canada. Chris, this was a fantastic analysis of a complex story, and dead on. I got the dvd from my local library by chance and watched it and before I did I checked, it got 8.1 score. This is the best analysis I have read. It requires the work of both men to save the girls. But his instinct, thoroughness, and curiosity get the better of him. Theres no prints. The Central Mississippi Correctional Facility (CMCF) was established in 1986 and built on 171 acres in Pearl in Rankin County. Great minds, Jasper. The little girls are not the same (one clings to her mother for dear life and the other is stoic)? I just finished watching the movie and was looking for an explanation, and this is just amazing, thank you for your analysis and thanks for all the comments, what an incredible movie. Theyre always there, at least in the background. The pretentious stuff gets at the construction of the story. Loki goes to the Fathers house, discovers a secret passage behind a refrigerator, finds, in this hidden basement, the body of Mr. Jones (identity unknown to Loki). I hope this was helpful. The article mentions that his co-worker Mr Dover didnt make any comments. Which can work for some, but not for everyone. Got it (which is why Keller finds it in the hole at the end). Thats pretty fascinating. We only know that from Kellers dream, right? Is arrested as the prime suspect. It serves a meta-purpose to make us aware of how to watch/understand the movie. Hey Craig! Not everything is clever or meaningful. And later, Alex tells Keller They didnt cry until I left them (more on that in the next section). Our Solicitors and Barristers - Reeds Solicitors Home > Our People Our People Reset Filters Abbie Blake Caseworker Adam Makepeace COLP Adam Orchard Senior Caseworker Alan Ridler Police Federation Manager, Criminal Law, Regulation and Professional Discipline Alexa Clement Solicitor & Team Leader Alison Page Chartered Legal Executive Amalia Davis Also, the first time we see the girls outside theyre wearing gloves. Yell from a distance to freeze: So you can say you said it. I thought that the casting and acting were the weakest part of the film. Finally, when Lokis at Hollys house, suspicious because he thinks Keller might be there and might have done something awful, he sees the picture in the bedroom. Tired of all the brainwashed/braindead people out thereneed to know there are people out there figuring this out like RFK jr. The album finishes with the very first line from the first song: So I was takin a walk the other day Its a line that begins a situation where Kendrick gets shot and killed. Keeping the source of these character names in mind, if you re-watch Prisoners you definitely pick up on some thematic subtext involving religion. Now imagine Taylor and Alex being there for years and years. This technique is more common in artsy projects than it is mainstream ones. Prisoners Characters pray. Another factor here is Alexs real parents who have been prisoners of the situation basically having what should be the greatest day of their lives finding of their lost son become almost a bigger tragedy than losing him. director of photography (as Roger A. Deakins) Film Editing by Casting By This kind of internal instructional clue is something that didnt really exist until the 20th century and the rise of modernism and post-modernism. Snakes are the tempter on the Bible? I have kids and if they were ever kidnapped I would pick them being killed than for them to do what Alex did. And lastly, we get flashbacks to her time with Gyllenhaal that reading the book triggers. Theres Amy Adamss character going about her life in the present day. The address where Alex parked the RV was his old house. So when TD robbed the place, he didnt shoot Kendricks dad. And yes, it also reinforces the theme of imprisonment, because a maze can be, after all, a prison and almost every character in Prisoners is working through some kind of maze (physical, emotional, psychological, or spiritual). Or it could be that the wiring for the lights was bad or the bulbs all broke or something. Hence why, upon going back to the Kellers home, Loki finds one of the socks in the bushes. If you are going to edit a lot, then make yourself a user and login. She clearly loved her son so much since his death broke her sanity and stripped her of any morals. Yeah, it seems thats the case. Sit in a roadway: I dont think he necessarily minded Keller seeing him. Rather than the cast elevating in their own way. My guess is he's been blowing the whistle for days without anybody being able to hear him during the excavation. Alex Jones (Prisoners) Detective Loki (Prisoners) Paul Sandow (The King) Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! Their sonstill a childdies, causing them tremendous grief. 100 Belmont-Mt. Holly secretly pulls out a pistol and begins shooting at Loki, who panics and manages to move our the way. Joy and Anna see the RV while on a walk with their siblings, Ralph and Eliza. Holly Road 704-461-6200 704-461-6236 . Its always really nice to have that experience where you grow into appreciating a movie. Its pretty well-known that the victims of abuse are prone to abusing others. Explore holly jones's 396 photos on Flickr! Awesome article Chris and I love that youre still replying to people after all this time! Spiritual imprisonment: Holly and her husband found it impossible to move beyond their belief God had wronged them. So right there in the last names of the two main families, we see more religious references. His real parents are the prisoners. The other maze to be found would be that; Holly drugs her victims with a concoction that may have LSD or similarthe fbi book refers to this and she does as well, when talking to and then forcing Keller to drink. When we first meet Holly, she tells Loki that her husband has been gone for 5 years. Have we been paying attention to all the clues that point to whether Loki will or wont find Keller? When Lokis at the priests house, he sees the mark on the floor where the refrigerator gets moved in order to access the secret door to the hidden basement. To the point where it becomes undeniable that one theme of Us is the cultural state of America. This is such a fantastic analysis. Holly preceded to do crazy Holly things. The little girl was abducted, and her remains were found in gym bags a day later in May 2003. They took Bob Taylor a few years later and he escaped after three weeks; Holly forgot all about him until reading the newspaper recently. What happened to Alex after Loki found him? The pair began kidnapping children to turn the parents into 'demons' as they called it, forcing them to lose their mind and faith like they did. Holly Jones Let an old woman finish injection: He walked into the room after she had started the injection. Doesnt every house have duct tape in it? None of us really wanted to do that version, but we wanted to make sure we had it in case once the film was put together it seemed like it really needed it. Holly Deane-Johns, 51, was subjected to the awful living conditions while serving time at Lardyao Women's Correctional Institution. Alex is perfectly able to taunt with a cryptic, They didnt start crying till I left. He can drive, he can play with the girls, learn and sing their song, has the wherewithal to take them back to be tortured and killed, but is too traumatized by his past to say anything else? This is done in order to have Prisoners become a narrative maze. Alex/Barry's caretaker I noticed how Holly cares for her dog and I wonder if Alex abusing it is his way of getting back at her (His abuser). I dont think theres a definitive answer. Keller had been at the house. Hi Lory! Taylor remembered the snakes, and it was Hollys husband who had the obsession, so it makes sense that we dont see them again in the film at Hollys house. Skai fastened a venomous snake over Lokis face, and from it poison dripped. Like his sister, Jones has studied Chinese as well. Holly Jones was abducted in her neighbourhood after walking a friend home from school. Its a solid theory. Holly Deane-Jones lived in cell with 120 women A convicted drug trafficker who spent years in a Thailand jail has opened up on her time sharing a cell with 120 other women and eating food with. Also, I wanted to add that it is mentioned that Alex had an accident with the snakes. He needs grace and so does Lokihe relies heavy on his ability to observe and pay attention to details. Compare that to Luke, when Luke finally becomes a Jedi, wearing a white outfit (and having more hopeful and exciting music). It references Loki killing Holly as detective David Loki. They were scared enough to shut down and didnt move much/touch much until Alex dropped them off. I searched for more movies with the actor Jack G after watching Nortunal Animals. Which is, all in all, pretty fitting. While I was watching the film in board day-light, I crotched my teddy bear with me, something I dont normally do as its that scary! Instead, it leaves a few context clues there for us to piece things together. They said specifically that the DNA and dental records came back with no match. The other couple was fine, both solid performances. Cheers, Also isnt the name Keller, too close to killer? And maybe a tad under utilized. Thank you so much! Keller doesnt get the answer he seeks from all the torture HE did, but by Joys miraculous escape and him making the connection that she saw him at some point. But theres a common association with a snake eating its own tail, also known as the Ouroboros. Thats usually associated with the idea of the endless loop. In the characters of Taylor & Alex, I agree with your accurate explanations that they are unable to speak & frozen by cognitive dissonance & being unable to speak of something as cosmicaly horrific as being abducted & what follows. To put it another way, not only are they unable to speak, but they speak in a completely different language. Blowing a whistle in order to be heard, and thus saved from dying in the hole, is the equivalent of being saved by the bell from being buried alive. So the next best thing was to imprison him? I assumed that it was Bob and he was referring to when he was captured by the police in the van at the rest stop. Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. Christianity ties itself to notions of faith and Gods grace. I like it much better being ambiguous. But they were previously a very religious couple and perhaps some of that still lingered as they indulged in ritual before they killed each of their victims. Best. If God caused them to loose their faith in this way, they will play God and cause others to loose their faith in this way too. The implication being that Loki will be as thorough as before and discover Keller. The final song on the album is called Duckworth. Not saying it isnt annoying. Her back was turned to him. Im glad it was helpful! Who was he waiting for? Lokis name means: prison, to break, to end, fire, which is also an interesting connection with he movie. All he would have been able to see is Holly crouching over the girl. So the beginning of Prisoners gets at themes of nature, religion, and violence. This item: Captives of Liberty: Prisoners of War and the Politics of Vengeance in the American Revolution (Early American Studies) by T. Cole Jones Hardcover $33.69 Running from Bondage: Enslaved Women and Their Remarkable Fight for Freedom in Revolutionary America by Karen Cook Bell Hardcover $15.80 Review He writes about complex movie endings, narrative construction, and how movies connect to the psychology of our day to day lives. Obsessively drawing mazes on the walls because he cant stop reading an FBI agents book about the mysterious child abductor, known as the Invisible Man, who was never caught (and who was actually Holly and her husband). Holly Jones ( Source : wordpress ) After walking a classmate home from school, Holly Jones was kidnapped in her neighborhood. Dogs: Holly said initially that she kept the girls in the hole while the police were around. Origin My question is when Loki found Keller tortureing Alex, why wasnt he taken to the police station? If you want to get the full picture of the story, you have to unite the fragments. Prisoners is even more interesting after your explanation. Grace originated, as a word, in France in the 1200s and soon after had a firm association with Christianity and the idea of virtue and receiving the favor of God. etc. Keller keeps Alex in a box thats similar to a confessional box. English isnt my first language so I hope this made sense. On the surface, all of that just plays into the drama and mystery of a crime thriller. Holly Jones Community Partnership & Outreach Coordinator at North Carolina Department of Justice Asheville, North Carolina, United States 3K followers 500+ connections Join to connect North. What makes Loki go there specifically? Top Holly Jones Prisoners Quotes As long as there is poverty in this world, no man can be totally rich even if he has a billion dollars. Did Hollys husband have more dirt on the priest that could have gotten him in more trouble? Filming & Production Thanks. I have a question about the scene where Joy said: that Keller was there too. Kidnapping thrillers often lull us into a sense of safety in the opening sequences, showing the normal rhythms of life that will soon be shattered. Franklin, Joys dad, objects to Kellers treatment of Alex, but participates for a time because he feels he has no other option if he wants to get his daughter back. I think theres maybe also more to be found in how Keller is a doomsday prepper and the way that relates to the idea of judgement day, but I havent watched the movie with that in mind yet. Just one question: how come the parents recognised their daughters clothes at the police station but didnt realise that they were not the ones the girls wore when they disappeared? Theres a reason that scriptwriter Aaron Guzikowski and director Denis Villeneuve included the scene of Alex yanking the dog off the ground by the leash to watch it choke and kick. I could go to China and be fine, obviously . A 1987 newspaper article about Barry mentions there might be a serial child abductor and the FBI are involved in the case. ), assistant property master (as Beth Morris), art department production assistant (as Steven 'Denver' Tolbert), art graphics (uncredited) / storyboard artist (uncredited), storyboard artist (uncredited) / visual consultant (uncredited), additional re-recording mixer (as Matthew Ladarola), additional production sound mixer (uncredited), adr recording engineer (uncredited) / adr recordist (uncredited), special effects technician (as Edward S. Backus), special effects technician (as Nick Coleman), special effects technician (as Michael Dzenowagis), special effects foreman (as Jeffrey D. 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