Hello Patrick, thanks for reading and commenting. Both alcohol and drugs impair judgment and control of the body. With the knowledge above, of these steps, how can we then take Scripture to pile over it? People were healed and delivered from blindness, leprosy, epilepsy, demon-possession, sexual lusts and perversions, etc. Embarrassed to receive recognition and praise, or gifts. It also anti-christ as it denies Yeshua/Jesus as the Only Way(1 Joh 2:22-23, Joh 14:6). (BSB), John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. I believe sin is a sicknesses. The desire of alcohol is a lust of the flesh. 35Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. $5.16 shipping. If there is darkness in the AA program leading people astray, what better place to set up a lamp stand? Both founders, Bill Wilson, and Bob Smith were heavily involved in practicing necromancy, performing seances, using the Ouija board, seeking spirits, and allowing a practice in the occult called automatic writing. The Celebrate Recovery Step Studies use the 12 Steps with their biblical comparisons and the eight principles that are based on the Beatitudes. However, that is part of what it means to count the cost (Luke 14:28) of following Christ. 34The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. Have been having more and more doubts about it as time has gone on. Perhaps, in learning these truths, God might want you to share this with others; and yes, while you are correct, it might, and probably will offend. I was never once told that it was a sin. I did not continue on with AA, and I am thankful for that. That is what is so amazing about God. What does the Bible say about addiction. 10h 30m. 3. Perhaps if you took the time to look into this further, you might begin to see a lot of the deception surrounding this, as while I do appreciate your comment, and believe it to be sincere, the deception is still very strong. Love that has no price tag. Love that has no price tag. We all have issues that may be interfering with our fellowship . They know that it worked for them, and thats the greatest story they have.. I was rejected by all those whom I shared the truth within CR that day, and I understood that would happen, because of what the Father had sent me to do. Celebrate Recovery IS: A safe place to share; A place of refuge; A place of belonging; A place to care for others and be cared for; A place where respect is given to each member; A place where confidentiality is highly regarded; A place to learn; A place to demonstrate genuine love; A place to grow and become strong again; A place for progress What partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? AA/NA holds people in bondage, making them think they are free. Dangers of Celebratory Occasions in Recovery Most people in recovery will be prepared for their sobriety to be tested when times are hard. Alcoholics and Addicts are deeply inflicted with this sin sickness. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. We admitted we were powerless over alcoholthat our lives had become unmanageable.Who cares to admit complete defeat? To Christ I conceded the certainty of a great man, not too closely followed by those who claimed Him. My grandfather passed before I was born, so while I did not know him, I was told he was an alcoholic and was involved in AA. I confronted her on the involvement of Rick Warren, AAs non biblical stance and that basically she and others are leading people astray and that they should be presenting the gospel of sin, repentance and being set free from bondage. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from this sites author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. Many coming into AA are ready for a change in life spiritually; its a great harvest ground. (RNS) John Baker, co-founder of Celebrate Recovery, an evangelical support group that helps people with "hurts, hangups and habits," has died. Some Celebrate Recovery groups offer childcare: "Celebration Place" for kids and "The Landing" for youth. During the past 25 years, some 20,000 churches in the United States have reportedly used CR, with some 2.5 million people having completed the program. I lived at AA and Alanon meetings for years and was helped tremendously and then almost completely stopped. During the worship time, I sat in the back reading my Word. He wanted to also save lives, now. Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT. Free Speech and Abortion Collide: Supreme Court Hears One of Its Biggest Cases of 2018, I Was the Proverbial, Drug-Fueled Rock and Roller, Christian Conservationists Sue to Protect Ghana Forest. However, as she began the meeting, she had decided for the other group leader to go first who was sitting to my left. After the meeting was over, all the women left, did not say anything to me, just turned their backs and left. Most people cannot stay sober or clean or free from any perversion for more than six months on average, only to "go back out". Sam, thank you for commenting. Once those who were fully crucified with Christ, and their passions and desires of the flesh, they too were set free from drunkenness. I brought up that step three goes against the first two of the 10 commandments, and that there shall be no other gods before Him. His moral teaching-most excellent. 70 percent of the people that attend are not church members because they feel that the churches have let them down. John Baker continues to be the primary author of The Celebrate Recovery curriculum and materials (quoted from Wikipedia). Celebrate Recovery is a Christ-centered 12-step program designed for all "hurts, hangups, and habits," including those caused by emotional, mental, and spiritual dysfunction.As one of the seven largest addiction recovery support programs, Celebrate Recovery is designed to be a confidential place where attendees can work through their "stuff" in a safe and God-honoring place. 314-267-4456. Philippians 2:13. In my mens small group I couldnt talk about my struggle, and at AA, I couldnt talk about my Savior, since the program speaks in more secular terms about a Higher Power, he told CT in 2016. Anything that impairs your mind, will also affect your spiritual wellbeing, and can lead into sinful choices. The one woman though, who had praised Jesus, wanted me to stay and chat with her for a little while. While your experiences, are your experiences, they should never override that of sound doctrine. I understand that people, even those like myself, have been helped through these programs, however, the ultimate purpose of these programs are to lead people to dependency on the program itself, which is why in the 12th step of the AA program it teaches to: 12) Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Joy of living is the theme of the Twelfth Step. Believing you are finally cured of your addiction. Before I go further, I want to share something on this topic. I was immediately confronted after the meeting, and then again when I arrived the following week, as I was pulled aside by the lead woman of the group. The messiness of addiction is too much for many churches to handle. It is a tactic of the enemy within the thoughts of men to say well, how can this be bad, if I have seen good in it. Because even darkness can appear as something good, that is why Eve took a bite of the forbidden fruit. What is spiritual awakening? Isnt God sovereign? R However, unlike negative energy that simply attaches itself and hovers over us like a dark cloud, energetic parasites feed on our energy. Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? During the worship time, I sat in the back reading my Word. When I was in CR (Celebrate Recovery) which I talk on within most of my post and testimony, is that God used me to bring His Light and truth to the darkness that both AA/CR have as a foundation. The ouija board got moving in earnest. Modesty of the HeartWhere is your Treasure? The Participant Guides are designed to create movement through the steps as each person is on a healing journey that creates new understanding and hope through the work of the Holy Spirit, and not . According to the Scriptures Alcoholism is defined as drunkeness, so if you profess to be an alcoholic, or once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, then you are stating to be a perpetual drunkard. Turning our will over to Higher Power. 4. This is why we are told to come out, Be ye separate, Be holy, as He is Holy. According to Step 3, it is like opening a door, however is going in another way other than Yeshua (Joh 10:7), as a person submits to a higher power. Giving that asks no reward. (KJV), Deuteronomy 18:10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. If you are not familiar with Rick Warren and his apostasy, please check out the below 6 minute video from Good Fight Ministries, that exposes one aspect concerning Rick Warren : I attended CR for a year, and during that time I was instructed by the Spirit to not partake in the worship, as the music and worship came from Saddleback. It's your choice. Do not perceive yourself as lovable and worthwhile. Structured as an ongoing 52-week program, The Landing aims to help hurting teenagers get closer to Jesus as they learn key principles based on the Beatitudes to live a . They preached about their higher power being God or Jesus but seemed to have no faith that He could deliver her or anyone Without AA. Step Two is a rallying point to sanity. And Love indeed had a pricethe price that Yeshua paid with His own life. Leviticus 19:31Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD(YHWH) your God. God loves and sent His Son to die for us all. This program is being run at my home church and I love the church (Biblical teaching) and dont want it to feel awkward. Thanks for your post. Christian Fellowship has an active missions program. Once you know better, you do better. Daly City Celebrate Recovery. Over the years, many celebrities have chosen to use their voices and their platforms to speak openly . apearlinthevineyard.com, 2018. If so, then I challenge you to put your emotions aside from the program, and dig into the Word. He partied in college at the University of Missouri and as an officer in the air force, and his drinking habit grew as his career in business took off in his 30s. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." We've been talking the last seven weeks about coming out of the dark, exposing our problems to the light of God's love, and .